Venom: Let There Be Carnage

Stupidity: Shriek is being taken to a new facility for superbeings, after a medical exam established that her sonic powers that she has been using since she was a kid are too strong to keep her at the correction house. So "naturally" for this transport she is not gagged, sedated, not even bound, and there's just one guy with her, not even wearing earplugs. It couldn't possibly be any more comically unsafe.

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Stupidity: Kasady is the highest profile criminal in California; Eddie's symbiote reaches out for him in a very conspicuous way, tossing him around for the whole length of the cell in a thick tentacle shape, but that has zero consequence, implying that there's no sort of security camera in San Quentin. The guard in the room is not even directly behind Eddie, so he would have seen the large tentacle the moment he looked. (00:27:30)

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Stupidity: Shriek aka Frances Barrison was taken away from the first mental facility when she was a teenager, having grown up there. She then spent the rest of her life, over 20 years, inside what basically was a cubicle of plexiglass. Despite that, the moment she is free she can stick drive like a pro. The way her life was presented, she shouldn't even know how to drive. (00:52:50)

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Stupidity: Venom is sensitive to sounds (the first movie mentioned frequencies from 4,000 to 6,000 hertz, but in this movie both him and Carnage are utterly discombobulated by things like bells and alarms, to the point that if only the prison didn't have literally one alarm siren Carnage would have had a harder time escaping). So naturally he goes to hang out...at a concert. At the end of his soapbox speech he even literally drops the mic, causing a high-pitched Larsen that fails to get any reaction. (00:47:20)

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Stupidity: Throughout the whole movie, wanton murderer Cletus Kasady and Shriek both spend an inordinate amount of time "almost" killing people, since they take forever to deal with them even having them completely at their mercy. Kasady even grabs Anne, tells Venom "You're gonna watch her die" and...leaves, to go eat her on top of the tower where Venom in theory would never see.

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Stupidity: Kasady and Shriek set free Anne's husband, so he'd phone Eddie telling them about the 'wedding'. But they have as hostage Anne and the detective, and both have Eddie's phone number already. Talk about convoluted. Also, Eddie of course has his own phone and the police never thinks to trace him thanks to that. (01:06:35)

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Stupidity: Thanks to Carnage, Kasady steals a car and clothes amongst other things. He then talks to his symbiote, acknowledging its existence. But that scene happens the evening after the night of his escape. The fact that he could have been on the run a whole day with no clothes and no getaway vehicle and without addressing the creature that allowed him to escape appears simply impossible (and it's just confusing editing due to Eddie's timeline with an extra day spent fixing his flat).

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Stupidity: Makes sense that Anne would go to Mrs. Chen's store because Eddie tipped her about it. Less sense that she actually finds Venom there as if the ever impatient starved alien had been manning the counter of the store all that time. (00:59:00)

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Audio problem: It is well-established that the symbiote can communicate with Eddie telepathically and others do not hear it. However, it can also speak normally and does so plenty of times; when the two are arguing in the bathroom of the prison, we see that Venom opens its mouth and move its 'lips', which would mean the woman in the stall and Detective Mulligan can hear him - which makes no sense in the scene. (00:06:30)

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Cletus Kasady: Every decision we ever make, who do we leave behind? And how do we leave them? Waiting in the darkness, but the rescuer never comes.

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Trivia: There is an extra scene after the credits roll with Tom Hardy talking to Venom in a hotel room. It then flashes to the TV where Spiderman's true identity is revealed.

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Question: What exactly happens to a host's body once the symbiote emerges? At the end of Venom, when Venom is threatening the robber, he partially opens his face, and we see Eddie's face. In this movie, when Cletus/Carnage is escaping from prison, guards start shooting at Carnage who then splits open his entire midsection but Cletus is nowhere to be seen.

Answer: The host and symbiote merge fully. So the symbiote can totally disappear into the host and the host can totally disappear into the symbiote. They can also split again, or partially, at will. It just depends on who gets to be the active version at that time.

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I am not up to speed with recent Marvel canon, but in the comics it's never been that way? The symbiote can surely slink inside the host (especially Carnage in Kasady's blood), but the humans can't turn into shapeless goo. Comics aside, that sequence from the movie is mind-boggling; I can sorta explain it thinking the symbiote just tore Kasady's torso in half and then reattached it instantly (in other parts of the movie Eddie gets basically stabbed with what would be lethal wounds).

Sammo

Actually, in the comics it's long been established that Carnage's healing factor is Deadpool-levels of broken. There are numerous moments where Carnage is impaled, crushed, decapitated, has his neck twisted, even grenades blowing up in his jaws and straight up nailed by military missiles... AND HE'S JUST FINE AND WALKS IT OFF LIKE NOTHING HAPPENED. He absolutely could casually tear himself open with no drawback whatsoever.

"Could" tear himself open, does he usually?"Can turn into shapeless goo", has he? One thing is to regenerate the torso, another thing is to manipulate your body parting before the bullets reach you.I don't really see that from the example posted, but my curiosity aside, given we're talking about the movie anyway, I really don't see Kasady depicted as a shapeshifter, and him and the symbiote in this movie are entirely separated at the end (pending a sequel of course).

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Also, for Carnage specifically, the human absolutely can turn into shapeless goo. Makes sense, actually, given that the symbiote canonically merged into Kasady's own cells and microscopic DNA, something even Venom and its hosts can't replicate https://2.bp.blogspot.com/9DjIg5e1HwLrwx-lhLjXxlUqzici7xajVTQZMhEHW8a0X9BqdRFE4U6eaBuPKXJgb8zSxkTytpvh=s1600 so the "symbiote-opening-up-the-host-body-with-holes" being a Carnage specific thing isn't surprising at all, in fact, given it's the same body.

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